I am watching Echo right now and i really like it. Why was nobody talking about it?
Im in Episode 4 (i think) - Fisk Had his Return and tried to get Maya Back.
By now i really like the Show. The Intro is dope af, the Action sequences are cool, Maya is a interesting protagonist and i am having a good time.
Why was no one talking about the show when it released? it seems Like a decent Show.
By now i really like the Show. The Intro is dope af, the Action sequences are cool, Maya is a interesting protagonist and i am having a good time.
Why was no one talking about the show when it released? it seems Like a decent Show.
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Sure, it sucks for fans of various characters that some will be relegated to one and done appearances, if they're adapted at all, but it's just a logistics issue, and there's no realistic way to make sure everyone is happy.
But like I said, the ending to Echo was a bit of a let down.
I love the show up until that final episode.
It wasnt for everybody, but thats the case for a lot of D+ stuff.
The main problem is that it arrived without a specific want from fans, and perhaps, instead of what fans really wanted. A good bit of extra content - but at the time, marvel desperately needed a main storyline.
This show was solid which is unfortunate.
It's a fine enough show, with fine enough acting and fine enough action sequences, but they couldn't make any real, long term changes to Fisk or Daredevil and absolutely nothing in the show has translated to any *other* show. It's as stand-alone and non-consequential as you can get.
Also some of the story didn't make a whole lot of sense, honestly. The story beats were sub-par.
Edit: grammar.
None of the in between was great. There were great moments tied together by incredibly poor moments. By ignoring the good moments, it shows how you see the world.
And the anti-DEI folk weren't on about race--you can't hate Native Americans, sorry--but it was that it was focused on women and especially one with a disability.
I found that it really left me begging for more about this "world" in the show and character. But a lot of the little bits were just not well-written.
To me not giving a clear answer was a mistake because the main conflict in Echo is that Fisk wants her back to his side but he never tries to explain anything about her father nor Echo ask him why he did or acts as if he cares about family
MCU used to feel like a special event. Now it’s just its own genre of content and there’s so much of it there’s a lot of average and only a little great with a dash of bad.
I watched the entire thing, and I honestly can't remember a thing about it other than Fisk with a Hawaiian shirt and like some Native American face paint? I think there was a motorcycle in there too.
That's from Hawkeye, but I think that underscores your point. I liked the Echo miniseries overall, but get that it's not for everyone.
I thought the show was fine up until the last episode. I'm always happy to see more Fisk, and was relieved to see how Disney was handling him before Born Again.
But the ending was lacklustre and changing her powers from photographic reflexes to weird ancestral knowledge felt kinda lame.
I knew, I wasn’t enjoying the show itself.
Having one or two mainstream characters just passing through is a massive waste. Not only that, hiding all of the other ever-present superheroes is so abrasive to me when I watch any of these. They all come out of the woodwork for the big team up films but then they all hide from each other?
When a production of any sort is rushed, there just naturally is a lapse in oversight and care taken. And that’s why so many Multiverse Saga projects feel kind of “meh.” None of them are inherently “bad,” (besides Secret Invasion, but even in that case, there are a multitude of reasons for that) but many of them just kind of missed the mark.
The Marvel money printing machine ran out of gas and that is ultimately a good thing. It’s forced Disney to go “oh, okay, we should focus on quality over quantity again.” And you can tell in the overall improvement as of late.

Worse, half of the series that have happened don't have follow up seasons, and no clear plans for their characters to appear. So there's nothing at stake beyond the events of the series.
While it isn't without criticism, I think there is lots to be enjoyed in this series.
I do have to say, my only criticism is I wish Echo would’ve stayed a street level hero without the magic and had been added to Thunderbolts. She made a lot more sense than Taskmaster ever did.
We will 100% never see her again.
In my opinion this character was the start of the downfall of the MCU
1. Fisk ended Maya's dad and brutalised that ice cream vendor all to make sure that Maya stays close to him. But after she leaves and goes to that family, he doesn't harm them at all? Wouldn't it make more sense that he would end them to get Maya back on his side?
2. Her careless actions have no consequences. She just blew up a warehouse by attaching a bomb to the cargo. What if it had blown up before? What if it had blown up while unloading? It was reckless but it somehow works, creating the message that whatever she does will work.
3. We never see her suffering due to her amputation or her inability to talk or hear as a kid. The only time we saw it, Fisk came to beat up the vendor. Wouldn't it make more sense if we saw more scenes where she didn't have anyone to help her which made her distant and rageful at world, which is why she became Fisk's footsoldier? Wouldn't that let the general public relate and empathise with her struggles?
4. Her powers are pointless. Basically any woman in her lineage can channel those powers. That reduces Maya's impact if that grandma and cousin can also use the same powers. All those great women struggled with the help of vague superpowers, not their resilience or perseverance? That dilutes the whole impact. We saw Steve Rogers fighting even before he got the serum, that showed his resilience and willingness to do the right thing. Also how does grandma and cousin know how to use those powers immediately, is it so easy to use superpowers? We saw Miles get his powers but the whole arc of the 1st movie was him develop confidence to use those powers.
5. Fisk was a force of nature in the Netflix DD series. Every time he was on the screen, the audience was genuinely scared of what he would do. In Hawkeye he gets bodied by car, blown up by Kate and shot by Maya. Yes his physical strength went up but his overall fear factor took a nose dive. And then in this show, he acts like a divorced dad trying to reconnect with his estranged daughter. Tell me honestly, do you feel scared when he is on the screen or do you feel comfortable that Maya will win anyway? Even rn in DDBA, yes we know that Matt and his team will win (cause heroes win) but is that comfortable or do you feel scared what Fisk can do to everyone?
You watched the scene where she plants the bomb on the train, but you missed her prosthetic leg getting trapped & almost wrecking everything?
All that said, while not perfect I did enjoy myself watching the show. Not top tier MCU content but it was entertaining and felt appropriately reminiscent of the Defender shows (Id say it was better than a good chunk of the seasons from those shows). I don’t think it needs another season but I would like to see Maya return in Born Again or other street level MCU projects
Middle of the road, fine while you watch, you forget about it roughly a week later
But Echo was fantastic. I loved it from start to finish. And I think Marvel has realized that sometimes it’s better to let something be a sleeper hit. I can’t even count the number of times someone rolls into here (or the subs for a few other fandoms) where people say that when some title originally came out people were shitting on it and they believed or even participated in the negative campaign, only to come back to it a few years later and realize how *good* it actually is.
The common theme in these properties is that they usually feature people who are not men and people who are not white.
I’ll probably get downvoted to hell for saying all of this, but I stand by what I said.
It felt isolated from MCU, so I enjoyed it almost like its random old show.
They also did what I call "doubling down on minority" element - they quadrupled down on it, really. Deaf, Native American, lost family, AND was an amputee. That takes a lot of concepts and identities to draw from and spreads it thin.
I love that she got to represent herself IRL. But it's always annoying to me - also as a minority - when studios and producers essentially throw all minority statuses into the pot in one go and wave their arms to the world like "*look at what we did, aren't we just grand??*"
It's like they often have no idea how to give a straight up incredible depiction of a minority without seeing them arbitrarily, definitively, as a minority, and it often shows.
So Echo could have been a great show focusing on something that an entire demographic could celebrate as a whole, but I think they made the demographic theme so very niche that the momentum didn't go all that far with immersing its theme into one identity or another. Just...everything show.
for me personally, conceptually the show is interesting, not sure about execution. i think first few episodes i got intrigued, but around the end is when i kinda lost interest. i think one of them was indeed the whole ancestral powers. i think how they showed her powers was kinda goofy. idk, i think i wish she had no mystical super powers. it would really showcase her strength even with her handicaps.
I hope we see her again, I've nothing against the character or the actress. But yeah they really biffed the ending of Echo.
You could really tell Native Americans were the lead creatives.
Also they did Kingpin dirty for the SECOND time since bringing him back which is just a crazy move since they were supposed to be building him up for Born Again.
Not bad enough to create an outrage on social media and not good enough to get people to praise it and talk about it later on.
All 5 episodes were dumped the same day on Hulu and Disney+ and the story/concept wasn’t special enough to create a word of mouth and build an audience over time like **Stranger Things**, **Squid Game** or **The Bear** did.
There is so many TV shows being released nowdays, on so many different streaming platform, that it’s really easy for them to fall through the cracks and end up being overlooked and/or forgotten if they don’t stand out in any kind of way.
The show was talked about when it released. It was all released at once so discussions didn't last as long as an episode a week show.
I loved the show too, the end was kind of awkward, but I thought the story was really good and a nice character addition to the MCU.